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Originally posted by Samuelpsw:as a personal friend of PTE Fan Yao Jin, i was so shocked when i heard the news, i was so so like OMG!!!! how on earth can this thing happen, 4D TOTO also not that accurate...nonetheless, all of his personal friends were affected by his leaving, we lost a good friend...haix...
You maybe surprised. The tail section of the plane, or is it some ID of that plane is 5371. Go check out the 4D results on last Sat.
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Full medical treatment for jet crash injured personnel: Teo
By Hoe Yeen Nie, Channel NewsAsia | Posted: 18 May 2007 1941 hrs
SINGAPORE: MINDEF will continue to provide full medical treatment for the servicemen who were injured in a jet crash in Taiwan, earlier this month.
This assurance came from Defence Minister Teo Chee Hean, who also gave more information on a compensation framework, at a Mindef event on Friday afternoon.
Mr Teo said when it comes to compensation, MINDEF and the SAF treat all full-time National Servicemen and NSmen, on par with regular soldiers.
So for the two men who died in the accident, MINDEF will give an additional lump sum payment, equivalent to one year's salary, of a regular of the same rank.
This is on top of the payment under the Workmen's Compensation Act, which is what Mindef pays for deaths due to military service.
And where necessary, additional payment may be granted.
MINDEF will also give the necessary assistance and psychological support to the families of the SAF men who died, as well as for those who were critically injured in the Taiwan accident.
Minister Teo was speaking at the 20th MINDEF PRIDE Day awards ceremony, which celebrates productivity and innovation at work.
PRIDE stands for PRoductivity and Innovation in Daily Effort.)
MINDEF made over S$240 million in savings last year, thanks to the efforts of 172 individuals, Armed Forces units as well as work improvement teams at the Defence Ministry and SAF.
Members of the public can view their ideas in an exhibition at the HDB Hub in Toa Payoh.
Also on show is the history of the Mindef PRIDE movement since its inception in 1981.
This year, a new Minister for Defence award was introduced for combat units.
Also for the first time, the best NS man from each of the three services were commended for their contributions to quality improvement over the years. - CNA/yy
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Originally posted by LazerLordz:Precisely.It's a mark of respect.
A person dies in DB (because of his own fault?) and since he was "in the line of duty", he has to be posthumoustly promoted? Promote a prisoner?
I think MINDEF want to avoid such controversy, i.e. any slight blemish on your record and they stay far far away from you.
Although this PTE is not in DB anymore, I think MINDEF is still trying to be diplomatically careful though I think it fails terribly.
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Originally posted by LazerLordz:Precisely.It's a mark of respect.
Here's the song that they nid to hear...
When my time comes
Forget the wrong that Ive done
Help me leave behind some
Reasons to be missed
And dont resent me
And when youre feeling empty
Keep me in your memory
Leave out all the rest
Leave out all the rest
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Originally posted by chanjyj:A person dies in DB (because of his own fault?) and since he was "in the line of duty", he has to be posthumoustly promoted? Promote a prisoner?
I think MINDEF want to avoid such controversy, i.e. any slight blemish on your record and they stay far far away from you.
Although this PTE is not in DB anymore, I think MINDEF is still trying to be diplomatically careful though I think it fails terribly.I'm not saying to promote a prisoner.
If he's done the crime and served his time, and is back as a soldier, why discriminate against his posthumous promotion just because of that.
Just because we do not practise dishonorable discharge for ex-detainees, doesn't mean we should ignore norms of respect for the fallen.
What if one of our soldiers is KIA abroad saving a village, and just because he had served a term in DB previously, he is passed over a full military funeral and a posthumous promotion? Do the chaps up there in MINDEF ask themselves these questions or do they simply dick around with SOP and doctrine all the time?
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Originally posted by LazerLordz:I'm not saying to promote a prisoner.
If he's done the crime and served his time, and is back as a soldier, why discriminate against his posthumous promotion just because of that.
Just because we do not practise dishonorable discharge for ex-detainees, doesn't mean we should ignore norms of respect for the fallen.
What if one of our soldiers is KIA abroad saving a village, and just because he had served a term in DB previously, he is passed over a full military funeral and a posthumous promotion? Do the chaps up there in MINDEF ask themselves these questions or do they simply dick around with SOP and doctrine all the time?i think you misunderstood my post. I was not condoning MINDEF
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Originally posted by Tom Cruise:
It is normal. When come to compensation, they will ask the families of the victims be realistic. What if the one who died is his own incompetent son? Who injured his head during his cadets phase? What will he say?actually he didnt say that. story kenna twisted when people cut and paste. i thik started from here http://forums.delphiforums.com/n/main.asp?webtag=sammyboymod&nav=messages&msg=140290.15&prettyurl=%2Fsammyboymod%2Fmessages%3Fmsg%3D140290%2E15
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Originally posted by LazerLordz:I'm not saying to promote a prisoner.
If he's done the crime and served his time, and is back as a soldier, why discriminate against his posthumous promotion just because of that.
Just because we do not practise dishonorable discharge for ex-detainees, doesn't mean we should ignore norms of respect for the fallen.
What if one of our soldiers is KIA abroad saving a village, and just because he had served a term in DB previously, he is passed over a full military funeral and a posthumous promotion? Do the chaps up there in MINDEF ask themselves these questions or do they simply dick around with SOP and doctrine all the time?Although I understand what you are saying, I think it has to be considered case by case. Essentially it level up the discipline within SAF, espeically the individual conduct of a soldiers, n officers. I think one have to view SAF from the perspective as an institution and the principle that it serve. Especially for career soldier.
Edited by Arapahoe 23 May `07, 7:16AM
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One more NS man dies following Taiwan jet crash
SINGAPORE: Full-time national serviceman, 19-year-old Lance Corporal Chow Han Min Calvin, who was air-lifted back to Singapore from Taiwan earlier this month, has died at the Singapore General Hospital (SGH).
MINDEF said he died at 6.37 am after his condition took a turn for the worse early Monday morning.
Lance Corporal Chow had suffered severe burn injuries after a Taiwanese F-5F aircraft crashed into a storehouse where he was located on 11 May.
MINDEF added that the other injured serviceman, 3rd Sergeant Ramakrishnan Karthigayan, is in a critical but stable condition at the Intensive Care Unit of SGH.
Defence Minister Teo Chee Hean expressed his deepest condolences to the family of the late LCP Chow.
MINDEF and the SAF will continue to assist the family in their time of loss.
On the day of the incident, two SAF soldiers were killed in Taiwan.
They were both accorded full military funerals
http://www.channelnewsasia.com/stories/singaporelocalnews/view/278792/1/.html
R.I.P
Edited by tortoise55 28 May `07, 1:02PM
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TAIWAN MILITARY JET CRASH
4th victim walks out of hospital after 60 days
He has to wear special garments 23 hours a day to prevent scarring
By Teh Joo Lin
AFTER almost 60 days spent 'walking the line' between life and death, Third Sergeant Karthigayan Ramakrishnan took his first shaky steps out of hospital yesterday.
When he stumbled from the flames after a Taiwan fighter jet crashed into the storeroom he was in two months ago, burns covered 45 per cent of his body.
His chances of pulling through looked slim. In fact, doctors gave him a one-in-three chance of pulling through, his father said.
But he clawed his way back, and is on his way to a full recovery.
The 23-year-old is the only serious casualty to have lived through the May 11 crash.
That morning, a Taiwan F-5F fighter jet had slammed into a camp store on the island, killing both Taiwanese pilots. Also killed on the spot were two Singaporean soldiers, Third Sergeant Isz Sazli Sapari, 19, and Private Fan Yao Jin, 23.
3rd Sgt Karthigayan and 19-year-old Lance Corporal Calvin Chow Han Min were taken to hospital there and airlifted back the following day.
But Lance Cpl Chow died more than two weeks later.
Seven other Singaporean soldiers who suffered minor injuries returned to service after the incident.
Doctors have told 3rd Sgt Karthigayan that the recovery process could take up to two years.
But Karthick, as he is known to family and friends, is happy just to get his life back.
'I'm going to take it one day at a time. From now on, life is going to change... but definitely for the better,' he told The Straits Times at his Ang Mo Kio flat.
His body is wrapped tightly in compression garments - which he has to wear 23 hours a day to reduce scarring - and every movement is slow and careful.
But his burn-reddened face often breaks into a broad smile, as he talks and jokes with family members and friends.
Recounting the incident, he said that he had been wearing a T-shirt and shorts at the time, and was badly burnt on his arms and legs.
Despite this, he managed to leap through the flaming storeroom door. He lost consciousness thinking he had not been badly injured.
He was to wake up six weeks later to learn of his brush with death.
His father, Mr J. Ramakrishnan, said that doctors at the Singapore General Hospital's burns unit fought to save him - performing a dozen operations including multiple skin grafts.
Mr Ramakrishnan, 48, added that during the initial stages, his son had struggled against a prolonged high fever and lung infections, and that his heart at one point was functioning like a 50-year-old man's.
'When he first came back, his head was two-and-a-half times its normal size,' said the former employee of a security agency, who quit his job to stay by his son's bedside, with Karthick's mother, 19-year-old brother,and grandparents.
Finally, 3rd Sgt Karthigayan opened his eyes.
'Suddenly, I realised I was in hospital. I felt pain and soreness... and very thirsty. That was when I knew I was really awake and not hallucinating,' he said.
He asked for, and got, his first drink in six weeks - carrot juice frozen into ice cubes. He could not swallow liquids because of all the tubes running down his throat.
From that point, he didn't look back.
He put this down to the care, well wishes and support showered on him by family members, friends, members of the Singapore Armed Forces, staff at the burns unit and members of a burns support group.
'A lot of them were keeping vigil... I was unconscious but I could actually sense that they were there with me,' he said.
Even strangers approached the family with words of encouragement.
'I don't know how I can thank all of them,' he added.
'I couldn't give up the fight, not with so many of them supporting me,' he said, his face lighting up once again.
'I felt I was melting'
THIRD Sergeant Karthigayan Ramakrishnan was drawing some stores when he heard what sounded like an artillery shell exploding.
He sensed vibrations.
Two seconds later, the entire storeroom morphed into a raging 'furnace'.
'It wasn't a slowly growing fire... it was a freak fire. I felt I was in a war zone,' he recalled.
As flames burst across the entire room, the heat shot up.
It was 'so intense', the infantry section commander felt he was 'melting'.
'I felt I was being bitten away. I had the feeling I was not going to die, but I had to get out,' he added.
He was less than 10m from the door. Although the shutters were up, the flames blocked his route to safety.
He shielded his face and dashed madly for the flaming exit.
'I counted 'one thousand, two thousand', then I jumped through the door and fell outside,' he said.
He landed flat on the gravel, his glasses flying off his nose.
His comrades found him there and took him, still conscious, to the medical centre nearby, before he was rushed to hospital.
At the time, he did not know he was seriously hurt. He even joked with the Taiwanese doctors in the hospital.
'A couple of times, I asked for a phone to call my mother to tell her I was okay.
'I felt pain, but my willpower was there,' he added.
He later slipped into unconsciousness, waking up only about six weeks later.
http://www.straitstimes.com/Free/Story/STIStory_137113.html?vgnmr=1
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TAIWAN MILITARY JET CRASH
4th victim walks out of hospital after 60 days
He has to wear special garments 23 hours a day to prevent scarring
By Teh Joo Lin
AFTER almost 60 days spent 'walking the line' between life and death, Third Sergeant Karthigayan Ramakrishnan took his first shaky steps out of hospital yesterday.
When he stumbled from the flames after a Taiwan fighter jet crashed into the storeroom he was in two months ago, burns covered 45 per cent of his body.
His chances of pulling through looked slim. In fact, doctors gave him a one-in-three chance of pulling through, his father said.
But he clawed his way back, and is on his way to a full recovery.
The 23-year-old is the only serious casualty to have lived through the May 11 crash.
That morning, a Taiwan F-5F fighter jet had slammed into a camp store on the island, killing both Taiwanese pilots. Also killed on the spot were two Singaporean soldiers, Third Sergeant Isz Sazli Sapari, 19, and Private Fan Yao Jin, 23.
3rd Sgt Karthigayan and 19-year-old Lance Corporal Calvin Chow Han Min were taken to hospital there and airlifted back the following day.
But Lance Cpl Chow died more than two weeks later.
Seven other Singaporean soldiers who suffered minor injuries returned to service after the incident.
Doctors have told 3rd Sgt Karthigayan that the recovery process could take up to two years.
But Karthick, as he is known to family and friends, is happy just to get his life back.
'I'm going to take it one day at a time. From now on, life is going to change... but definitely for the better,' he told The Straits Times at his Ang Mo Kio flat.
His body is wrapped tightly in compression garments - which he has to wear 23 hours a day to reduce scarring - and every movement is slow and careful.
But his burn-reddened face often breaks into a broad smile, as he talks and jokes with family members and friends.
Recounting the incident, he said that he had been wearing a T-shirt and shorts at the time, and was badly burnt on his arms and legs.
Despite this, he managed to leap through the flaming storeroom door. He lost consciousness thinking he had not been badly injured.
He was to wake up six weeks later to learn of his brush with death.
His father, Mr J. Ramakrishnan, said that doctors at the Singapore General Hospital's burns unit fought to save him - performing a dozen operations including multiple skin grafts.
Mr Ramakrishnan, 48, added that during the initial stages, his son had struggled against a prolonged high fever and lung infections, and that his heart at one point was functioning like a 50-year-old man's.
'When he first came back, his head was two-and-a-half times its normal size,' said the former employee of a security agency, who quit his job to stay by his son's bedside, with Karthick's mother, 19-year-old brother,and grandparents.
Finally, 3rd Sgt Karthigayan opened his eyes.
'Suddenly, I realised I was in hospital. I felt pain and soreness... and very thirsty. That was when I knew I was really awake and not hallucinating,' he said.
He asked for, and got, his first drink in six weeks - carrot juice frozen into ice cubes. He could not swallow liquids because of all the tubes running down his throat.
From that point, he didn't look back.
He put this down to the care, well wishes and support showered on him by family members, friends, members of the Singapore Armed Forces, staff at the burns unit and members of a burns support group.
'A lot of them were keeping vigil... I was unconscious but I could actually sense that they were there with me,' he said.
Even strangers approached the family with words of encouragement.
'I don't know how I can thank all of them,' he added.
'I couldn't give up the fight, not with so many of them supporting me,' he said, his face lighting up once again.
'I felt I was melting'
THIRD Sergeant Karthigayan Ramakrishnan was drawing some stores when he heard what sounded like an artillery shell exploding.
He sensed vibrations.
Two seconds later, the entire storeroom morphed into a raging 'furnace'.
'It wasn't a slowly growing fire... it was a freak fire. I felt I was in a war zone,' he recalled.
As flames burst across the entire room, the heat shot up.
It was 'so intense', the infantry section commander felt he was 'melting'.
'I felt I was being bitten away. I had the feeling I was not going to die, but I had to get out,' he added.
He was less than 10m from the door. Although the shutters were up, the flames blocked his route to safety.
He shielded his face and dashed madly for the flaming exit.
'I counted 'one thousand, two thousand', then I jumped through the door and fell outside,' he said.
He landed flat on the gravel, his glasses flying off his nose.
His comrades found him there and took him, still conscious, to the medical centre nearby, before he was rushed to hospital.
At the time, he did not know he was seriously hurt. He even joked with the Taiwanese doctors in the hospital.
'A couple of times, I asked for a phone to call my mother to tell her I was okay.
'I felt pain, but my willpower was there,' he added.
He later slipped into unconsciousness, waking up only about six weeks later.
http://www.straitstimes.com/Free/Story/STIStory_137113.html?vgnmr=1
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TAIWAN MILITARY JET CRASH
4th victim walks out of hospital after 60 days
He has to wear special garments 23 hours a day to prevent scarring
By Teh Joo Lin
http://www.straitstimes.com/Free/Story/STIStory_137113.html?vgnmr=1
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yesterday zao bao chinese papers reported that 3SG Ramakrishnan had left the hospital a few days ago and is now recovering at home.
i'll scan the article when i get back.
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yesterday zao bao chinese papers reported that 3SG Ramakrishnan had left the hospital a few days ago and is now recovering at home.
i'll scan the article when i get back.
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